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Post by Germany on May 21, 2011 17:18:55 GMT -5
It's always been allowed in the crack/AU section. The issue at hand is whether or not it should be incorporated into the "main canon" universe we've established on this site. The problem with hopping over to AUs for some threads is that you lose that continuity, and it's such a minor issue. To better illustrate my point, I wouldn't want to have to have an entire thread take place in AU ( or have to move it over there ) if I happened to mention or insinuate that my character had sired a child at some point along the line.
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Post by America on May 21, 2011 18:28:17 GMT -5
...What if we made it a matter of will? Nations can have offspring with humans only if they really, really want it. So unless a nation formed a very deep, emotional bond with a human they were sleeping with, they'd never have any problem of having baby mommas or baby daddies.
These children would be human too, I think. Probably with a certain extra 'spark' to them, and inheriting strong traits from the nation-parent (like Finland's sharpshooting skills, Ukraine's 'vast tracks of land', or Russia's questionable mental status), and possibly with a knack for aging really, REALLY well, but otherwise 100% human.
Nations having children on other nations, however...I think that sticks to my previous statement of proto-nations being delivered by the stork. If a pair of nations comes across a proto-nation, they can adopt it, but otherwise there will be no babies~ (Sorry Sweden~)
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Post by ukraine on May 21, 2011 20:04:56 GMT -5
I'm going with sterile on this one. Logically, if proto-nations are born magically when people form a new nation, then that's the nations' way of reproducing. Even though they have human anatomy, there's no logical reason for them to have a completely seperate human reproductive system and the possibility of human kids, because they don't need it. Also, we've never seen a nation get pregnant or get a human pregnant. Not that they couldn't have intercourse with humans or other nations, because it's pretty obvious that they can and do, but in my headcanon, nothing would come from it as far as pregnancy goes.
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Post by Germany on May 21, 2011 20:26:56 GMT -5
There's also no logical reason why they couldn't, being as how they're unlike anything else in nature. As for them needing it, no, they wouldn't need it, but there are examples even in the real world of organisms being created with anatomy and features they don't need, like 3rd molars on humans and vestigial limbs on snakes. My reasoning is that there doesn't have to be a reason for nations to produce human children.
True, but this site has a canon that already deviates somewhat from Himaruya's, so that doesn't have to be an obstacle.
I think I'm going to wait another day or two to give more people a chance for input/responses, then probably conduct a poll. As it is I think I know where this is heading ( and I'm perfectly fine with that! ^^ ), but an official vote couldn't hurt anything. ~
A big thanks to everyone who has shared their insights and headcanons thus far, no matter which side of the fence you stood on. <3 It's been fun to discuss!
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Post by Germany on May 21, 2011 20:42:07 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot, in regards to America's idea, that's very similar to what Sweden proposed ( they can choose whether or not they have children ).
At the end of the day I understand why so many are in the sterile camp, but as I said before I think it would be nice for people to at least have that option available to them if they want to use it without switching to an AU ( with restrictions to keep everything sane, of course ).
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Post by quietthread on May 25, 2011 7:26:35 GMT -5
Hmm... I honestly think that there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to. It would just be like a rare thing that they did, because I can honestly not seeing many nations getting close enough to a short-lived human in order to be comfortable enough to not use protection, and maybe have a child. While Finland's idea on the whole "Female Nations eventually run out of eggs" does make quite a bit of sense, I think that, well, seeing as they're magical, they really would never run out, and both nations would be fertile.
Reading through all of these debates honestly reminded me of all the legends of demi-gods and half-bloods from the mythological stories. One normal parent, one (pretty much) immortal one, and a human who is just a bit more than the average person on the life scale. It could always be treated like that, with the nation not getting involved in their child's life except from a distance, but always watching out for them, so that they wouldn't have to reveal themselves as more than human.
Also, while I really really really like the whole "choosing whether or not to have children" thing, it just doesn't seem to fit into the rest of the magical canon, as in the rest of Canon the magic tends to seem to work things out on its own, not really listening to the nation. *shrugs* That was just the interpretation that I got from it, but considering we're talking magic... That really might not matter so much.
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